Frequently Asked Drone Questions on Health Care
Published June 28, 2009 @ 07:04PM PT

At least once a week, someone hops onto a post on this site that’s a few months old, and posts a few pages out of the Frank Luntz scare tactics memo. I’m not quite sure I understand the impulse. I generally don’t go looking for blogs that talk about how awesome free trade and deregulation is and post comments like, “Noooo! We don’t want that! Wake up, people!!!”
This week’s installment of Status Quo Drone Theater is someone who crafted a comment on a post from January. It’s also a nice compendium of the ridiculous questions being peddled by House Republicans, Fox News, Rush and whoever else is part of the Anti-Reform Sound Machine these days. And I couldn’t resist the way this commenter signed off, “Use your brains, Americans, before it is too late!!!!”
Well, OK. I’ll use my brain. But keep in mind, this creates a social obligation for you to start using yours.
Here are some questions that are worth consideration:
This is the truest statement in the comment, by the way. Many of these questions are worth consideration, however dronishly phrased.
Why is Congress in such a hurry to pass health legislation?
Congress is busy trying to implement a health care reform package based on a campaign plan by Barack Obama submitted in May 2007. In the past two years, it has been widely dissected on everything from blogs to the New England Journal of Medicine, and was talked of in part or in whole in over 20 Democratic candidate televised debates, and three debates with John McCain. The roughest sketch of the Senate Finance Committee bill were released eight months ago, and we’ve been in constant hearings and closed door sessions since the stimulus bill passed on one or all committees.
It’s hard to figure out how this possibly qualifies as a hurry.
But if you need a little more to go on, try the fact that for every 1 percent increase in the unemployment rate, 1.1 million people lose their insurance. Want to guess how much unemployment has jumped in the past two years?
If our health care is so bad, why do people come here for procedures from other countries who have government controlled health care? (e.g.Great Britain and Canada?)
Generally speaking, they don’t – at least not more often that our own citizens flee our health care systems to get their procedures done at a cheaper rate overseas. By the way, you know how you used to put your tooth under your pillow for the Tooth Fairy? Uh, well...
Also, Great Britain? Ma'am, if British people don’t like the care they’re getting, they don’t come here! They go to France.
Will Congress dissolve their own health care programs and opt for the same one that they are imposing on the rest of us?
I’m sure they’d be amenable, but that’d be redundant since they’re trying to expand health care based on what members of Congress receive.
Here’s the thing I love about America, by the way. You can turn on C-SPAN any time you like and see House Republicans railing against the inefficiencies of government-run health care schemes and how intolerable government health care will be. And every single one of those yahoos has government-sponsored health care choices through the Federal Employee Benefits Plan.
That’s the model of what reformers are trying to create – to give us similar choices to what they have at a level of comprehensive benefits equivalent to what they receive.
Will Obama and his family be subject to the same rules and regulation as the rest of us will be in this health care bill?
Um… no. As Commander-in-Chief, his health care will be daily provided by a doctor supplied by the Department of Defense. Meaning yes, that’s right, President Obama is getting his share of socialized medicine, just like the rest of our troops.
I’m not saying this to be pejorative. The Department of Defense controls health care spending with a single-payer in the Federal government, and directly employs the hospitals, doctors, nurses and clinics through which care is distributed. That, by any definition, is a socialized medicine structure. It works so well, we only reserve it for the best of the best – the active military and our nation’s veterans.
Will procedures, medications and tests be rationed, especially for the elderly?
As Christopher Beam from Slate points out, American health care is rationed already: “it’s just rationing by income instead of by efficiency.” For example, a RAND study says we get the recommended preventative care only 50% of the time. For many, that’s because they can’t afford it. For 50 million Americans, their health care is rationed to the point of not receiving it. And, of course, Americans who have insurance frequently find their care denied because of denied approval, rescissions, dramatic increases in co-pays and lifetime maximum benefit.
So the answer is procedures, medications and tests are already rationed. Fixing health care will alleviate the most unjust and arbitrary rationing that we already subject ourselves to. The elderly on Medicare will likely see absolutely no change -- Medicare already has a formal, transparent process for determining what it covers and what it does not, which is more than I can say for for-profit insurance.
How much will it cost and how will this money be raised?
The best guess is $120 billion to $150 billion per year. This new Federal spending is the equivalent of 6% of total health care spending each year, and about a third of what we spend on Iraq and Afghanistan.
The rules of this legislation operate as “pay as you go,” requiring it to be paid for in full with a combination of new revenue and cuts elsewhere. President Obama has identified new revenue (in the form of a cap on charitable deductions for the top bracket) and areas of Medicare that can be trimmed or which don’t obviously lead to better health outcomes. Other ideas mentioned include employer pay or play – requiring all but the smallest of businesses to either provide meaningful benefits or pay into a common fund – removing some or all of the tax exclusion on employer-sponsored benefits, rolling back the Bush Tax Cuts for the wealthiest 1% which are set to expire next year anyway (we’d only need about 1/3 of that money), putting a surcharge on stock transactions, or a national Value Added Tax, which is what most other countries use. Far more important than new revenue is finding ways to cut where we can, since up to a 1/3 of our health care spending goes to test and procedures that don’t make us healthier.
There’ll be a lively debate on what we use. Likely, we’ll combined options from the above.
In view of the current deficit spending by the Obama administration how can we afford this legislation?
First, you weren’t paying attention – there’s no deficit spending allowed on this.
Second, being lectured on deficit spending by conservatives is like being lectured on family values by Mark Sanford and Mike Enzi.
But to get to your larger point, if left untouched, health care will jump from 16% of our economy to 20% in less than ten years. The number of uninsured will jump to 52 million in only a year and a half. The average cost of a family plan is greater than a full-time minimal wage job. The typical elderly couple needs to save $300,000 for health care expenses not covered by Medicare.
How can we afford not to fix health care?
If taxes are imposed on health care premiums, why would Union members be exempt from these taxes?
They wouldn’t be. First of all, that tax is one of many options, and not the smart pick for how we’ll pay for it. Second, Max Baucus said that off the cuff one time because unions were beating the crap out of him on the idea of eliminating the tax exemption. In this case, offering to throw a starving dog a bone didn’t stop the barking. Neither of the draft bills contain any language anything like this.
Where in the Constitution of the U.S. does it say that the Federal Government should be responsible for the health care of its citizens?
Article I, section 8. “The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States…. To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.”
Congress is empowered to provide for the general welfare. Given that we’re dealing with matters which, if left unreformed, directly contribute to 18,000 deaths a year and over 60% of all personal bankruptcies, not to mention put the businesses contained within the United States at a competitive disadvantage to other countries like Japan, South Korea, Canada and the countries of Europe, I would say the general welfare of the United States is directly involved.
(Side note – you ever notice that people who ask “Where in the Constitution…” generally have never read article I section 8?)
Finally, What "moron" actually believes that the government is capable of administering such a program in a way that is transparent and without the waste,fraud and bureaucratic red tape that is part of anything the government does?
Well, I would ask what “moron” actually believes that a health insurance system that is more concerned about its stock price and maintaining a favorable “medical loss ratio” by denying care to those who paid its premiums is what we should be enslaved to?
Here’s the beauty of the public health insurance option, by the way. I think public coverage of the quality of Medicare or the VA is inherently going to be better than anything the private, for profit industry can provide in terms of cost or quality. You think private insurance is going to inherently better, without the waste, fraud and red tape (clearly you haven’t spent a lot of time dealing with pre-approvals or rescissions). You know what – let’s test that! Let’s put the best private insurance has to offer against the best public coverage has to offer. Let’s let the people choose. Hell, you can have your Aetna plan with a CEO making $20 million in total compensation at the same time I have my public plan where the top officer makes $191,300. No one’s forcing you to stop being a “moron.”
Or are you afraid that the American people will actually use their brain for once and buy a plan concerned with cost, quality and making people healthier rather than the one concerned with raising premiums, finding reasons to exclude people, and making their stock portfolio healthier?
(Photo credit: aprilandrandy on Flickr.)
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Tim has been an online organizer and blogger on health care policy for the Obama for America campaign (during the primaries) and currently for the Committee of Interns and Residents/SEIU Healthcare, a labor union for intern and resident doctors. Views expressed here are Tim's, and don't represent the positions of CIR or SEIU.
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Side note – you ever notice that people who ask “Where in the Constitution…” generally have never read article I section 8?)
Funny I read it and it also mentioned that those "duties, imposts, and excises shall be uniform throughout the US" They certainly don't seem uniform to me. I will not pay higher taxes so you can have healthcare for those that pay less or no taxes. Nor do I want to pay more taxes so people like myself who chose not to get healthcare can get it for free. I chose not to receive health insurance from my employer so I could recieve a higher salary. My choice not yours or anyone elses. And yes you knew it was coming, but I also don't want to pay for illegal aliens to get healthcare either, regardless of what country they're from. By the way I've seen and been a patient of the government medical system and it sucks. The same people that bitch and moan about the money the military gets then talk about the great medical care facilities blah, blah blah blah apparently don't realize when you cut funding for the military you cut funding for the health care also. Oh and also for you "morons" that believe everything above. How about getting the gov't out of healthcare so the prices would come down or is that too easy. Oh wait your'e part of the Union that would be a no no. Keep your change buddy I'll keep my free choices and my money.
Posted by Keith Thom on 06/28/2009 @ 07:54PM PT
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You may not wish to pay for the health care of people here based on their legal status -- except wait, you already do. Uncompensated care gets paid for out of tax revenue and higher premiums. I know you're not paying premiums, meaning the rest of us will have to pick up the bill for you when you inevitably need medical care. That's cool, man. I know you wouldn't do the same for me, but it's still cool. But unless you're a tax violator, you're paying for the health care for immigrants right now.
You're just paying for them to visit an expensive emergency room instead of getting cost-effective primary care. Joke's on you, old buddy.
And I'm pretty psyched that you wish to preserve free choices about your money. I do too. So how about you give me that public health insurance option that I can invest my premium money into? My choice and my money, right?
A few other interesting points.
Federal duties, imposts and excise taxes are pretty uniform, despite what they seem to you. The Federal gas tax is $0.184/gallon, whether you're in Alaska, Missouri or West Virginia.
And the military budget hasn't been cut in over 10 years. This year will actually be yet another increase in the defense budget.
So why don't you come back here after you've done a little bit of research. Even 2 minutes on Google should do it. Deal?
Posted by Timothy Foley on 06/28/2009 @ 08:43PM PT
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Amen Keith!!!
Freedom and choice! It's the American way.
Posted by Joey Novak on 08/25/2009 @ 07:46PM PT
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Um, I think he knows he already does, and he doesn't want to pay more, and he shouldn't be paying in the first place. We are on a trend towards complete government control. No, what they want to do isn't the end of the world. But, the percentage of human effort that is absorbed, and then distributed to others is increasing more and more. It needs to stop. The principles of self reliance need to be re-instated (where possible, there are exceptions obviously).
Posted by Joey Novak on 08/25/2009 @ 07:48PM PT
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Umm, we are paying twice already. Not to mention Government is already in health-care. They have just been on the business behalf for a long while. Insurance companies have always loved it in the past Those high costs at the hospital could not be justified if hospitals did not run in the red. The price is severely inflated. You pay your bill and you pays the last few guys bill that didn't have insurance. Its not the government that wants the reform its the people griping to the Government. Where else are they going to go?The FDA has been around keeping drugs safe and approved. Are people that don't want reform also wanting to drop social security, the FDA, EPA, USPS, Medicaid, medicare. Taxes will raise even much more if we do nothing. That was stated already, several times by both parties.
health Insurances companies love to lobby. Name one thing that they lobbied for that didn't create a profit directly or indirectly. They have done well with language over the years. They love the Government in health-care as long as it is only profitable towards them. What recourse do we have as an American health care insurance consumer. There are no ethics there. who regulates it. I have good insurance ( really ) and every year I get that letter saying that there is something else that will not be covered , or as much. Just once I would like to get one that says hey we are also covering this or more of this. There seems to be a direct correlation with the record profits and not covering more. I have to pick certain hospitals and doctors. Think that they are the best and recommended. Nah , just the cheapest. They are rationing now for a profit. I see the medicaid guys are picking the docs that I want for my wife that my insurance ( that I pay for) does not provide for.We pay for that now. The doctors are not in control now and now there is no choice of doctors if you pay for your insurance. Don't blame the government, blame the countless people that are getting screwed over and have nowhere else to go. I totally agree with Tim. Really, after all of his research watching his posts it seems like his biggest thing to combat is lies and fear tactics. If you actually take the time to research it ,then it might even change your view. It saves money by offering people to pay what they can instead of nothing and declaring bankruptcy as solution. It offers a choice that will keep companies honest and also if you want to declare your independence from using the plan. It is prorated to be affordable. Paying what you can is better than nothing. Really? should we shut down all of the government agencies that are involved and already have been involved in health-care. Swine flue, tainted peanut butter, just ignore it and eat healthy right?.. Eating healthy and working out , and safe sex will not save the world. Most accidents are not feasibly preventable. And who would enforce all of this if it would?
Posted by Joe Ward on 09/05/2009 @ 08:38AM PT
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Tim, you are a national treasure and you have the patience of a saint.
Posted by robin stelly on 06/28/2009 @ 08:21PM PT
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"I will not pay higher taxes so you can have healthcare for those that pay less or no taxes."
That's pretty much how every other industrialized nation does it Keith, and none of them have the sort of healthcare crisis the US faces right now.
I've been a patient in the British, Irish and now US healthcare systems and can confidently state this: I'm paying more in health insurance premiums here in the US than I was in taxes in the UK or Ireland. And I'm getting a considerably lower quality of care and access in return.
"How about getting the gov't out of healthcare so the prices would come down..."
How would that work exactly?
Posted by Daryl G on 06/28/2009 @ 08:32PM PT
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Tim,
As I read your latest post, I could swear all those questions came straight out of the mouth of Larry Kudlow.
http://www.noozhawk.com/local_news/article/062509_larry_kudlow_we_dont_need_big_bang_health_care_reform/
I know Larry would be particularly shocked by your suggestion that we rescind those Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest 1%. I can hear Kudlow now, "You're killing innovation!"
In the United States, the richest 1 percent of households only owns 38 percent of all wealth. The richest 10 percent of families only own about 85 percent of all outstanding stocks, 85 percent of all financial securities, and 90 percent of all business assets. So Tim, you can see how taxing these households might hurt the economy.
http://multinationalmonitor.org/mm2003/03may/may03interviewswolff.html
Posted by Martin Bring on 06/29/2009 @ 07:43AM PT
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Regarding the first point.
The sad part is that many of our problems are truly endemic and will take years to root out. One needs a short term strategy but also a long term plan.
We are either shortsighted in our plan and will have problems because we will have done adjustments for the crisis at hands not worrying about long term sustainability.
Or else, this is a first step of a long difficult process of commitment to reform.
Ezra Klein has written that a single payer or universal payer does not make us healthier, it simply removes the burden of health care costs and bankruptcy from the individual. That should be our first step.
Bohdan A. Oryshkevich, MD, MPH
Posted by Bohdan Oryshkevich on 06/29/2009 @ 09:07AM PT
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