Health Care

Three-Ring Circus at the Senate Finance Committee

Published May 05, 2009 @ 04:25PM PT

On today’s installment of “I watch C-SPAN so you don’t have to,” the Senate Finance Committee has been convening “roundtable” discussions to focus on different aspects of the health care reform legislation that they’ll begin drafting in a matter of weeks. Today’s topic was “Expanding Healthcare Coverage.” Last week’s roundtable on the healthcare workforce and delivery system was pretty sedate. This one was filled with fireworks.

Now don’t get me wrong, multiple hours were taken up by senators from the finance committee (most of them white men) asking questions that really telegraphed the senator’s own policy views to a panel of experts (also mostly white men). The level of content was as deep as you would expect from C-SPAN. The panel or experts was an extraordinary mixture of opinions, equally accommodating to Stuart Butler of the Heritage Foundation and Len Nichols of the New America Foundation, with unions, advocate groups, business interests and, yes, more insurance company leaders than you can shake a stick at all offering conflicting notions on insurance regulation and the public plan. You can read their prepared statements at your leisure, but here were the three highlights for me.

3.) What’s a Senate Committee hearing without a protest?

Sen. Max Baucus, chair of the Senate Finance Committee, has been a target for single-payer advocates for so clearly shutting out any discussion of single-payer as a viable option. Sure enough, his roster of speakers for today included no one vouching for HR 676 or any other single-payer bill.

So members of Healthcare-Now and Physicians for a National Health Plan, in a move that sent a message of “Media Blackout THIS” disrupted the proceedings. And, sure enough, it covered on Wall Street Journal’s Health Blog (with video!)

2.) AHIP undermines the Republican argument

Karen Ignagni of America’s Health Insurance Plans (AHIP) spent a lot of time pushing their main message of partnership and cooperation, as she has for all of her previous public appearances at health care reform forums this year. Now granted, a lot of this posturing is clearly to throw into relief the points that the industry is dead-set against, a public plan being Numero Uno.

But it struck me how often she completely undermined some of the anti-reform messages we hear from conservatives. Within her first answer, she, on behalf of private insurance, had said that she was willing to accept guaranteed issue (no exclusion on the basis of pre-existing condition), community rating, ending different prices for those who are sick, ending different rates for gender, flattening state-by-state variance in prices, etc. It was sort of breathtaking how much she was willing to concede in terms of regulations. Having read Rep. Tom Price’s anti-regulation pitch, and remembering all the conservative talking points about too much regulation on health insurance, it was truly a surprise to see Ignagni, in essence, begging for more regulation. I wrote this sentence down about the wherefore for increased federal regulation: “We’re not asking them [consumers] to trust us, we’re asking them to trust the government.”

So I have to ask – does this make AHIP a bunch of socialists?

1.) His name is Schumer. Chuck Schumer.

As mentioned, Ignagni’s pleas for federal regulation to impose order on the wild, wild West of state insurance regulations largely served to contrast with her staunch opposition to a public plan. This wasn’t the traditional arguments of crowd-out, or the impossibility of quality health care coming from the government (except for Medicare, Medicaid, the VA, etc…) Instead, Ignagni attempted to frame the debate as “If federal legislation can correct the market in a way it’s never been corrected before, why would we need a public plan at all?”

That’s about the time the senior Senator from New York walked in the door.

Now keep in mind, some of Schumer’s past comments showed somewhat cagey or soft support for the public plan, or at least seemed like a man trying to play “Let’s make a deal." So it was a surprise that the first article I read in The New York Times this morning was entitled, “Schumer Offers Middle Ground on Health Care,” laying out a set of conditions to achieve a level-playing field. Except these principles aren’t all that new. They’re very similar to the work that health care economists Len Nichols and Jacob Hacker, both proponents of the public plan, have already done on the question. They’re similar to the signals coming from the White House on how the plan could be structured.

And based on Schumer at today’s hearing, I wouldn’t say he’s “offering” it. He’s demanding it. Ezra Klein found this quote to be the most striking, and I agree: “Just as bad as a public plan with an unfair advantage is no public plan at all. My colleague from Kansas said the American people don't want the government involved. Well, let me tell you, the American people have some problems with the government. But they have a lot more problems with private insurers.”  And did we mention that Schumer has a name for the public plan option that's better than the perfunctory but vague "public plan"?  He calls it, "Plan USA."

He then went on to, basically, demolish Ignagni’s main argument. Thanks to Igor Volsky at Think Progress, we’ve got audio. Listen for yourself:


So the day began with protesters shouting for single-payer and ended with Schumer hammering the private insurance industry. The only thing we were lacking was popcorn.

(Photo credit:  propublica on Flickr.)

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  1. Lauren Serven

    with friends like chuck who needs enemies

    i wouldn't exactly say schumer was hammering the private insurers, unless you mean the hammer was one of those soft plastic baby toy hammers like my son used to play with. shumer's idea of a public option is not like medicare so don't be fooled. he plans on enshrining a public option with a set of rules and regulations and pin it down in different ways so that it will be sort of just like your private insurance plans. here are some of chuck's ideas (from NY Times article)
    1. public plan to be self-sustaining. claims to be paid from premiums and co-pays. no tax revenues or appropriations from the government.2. pay docs and hospitals more than what medicare pays3. can't compel doc and hospitals to participate just because they participate in medicare.4. official who manage the public plan should be different from those who regulate the private insurance market
    uh, i'm no karen ignani, but this plan of chuck's seems like a good deal for the insurance industry to me, esp. since i see no mention of any rules pertaining to the private insurers. you know, the dems have been whining about how they have wanted to do something about health care for soooooooooo long and now that they have the opportunity they are sending out something like this as a reform plan??? are they crazy??? i mean, if you're not going to create a public plan which has real virtues and competitive advantages that people can go to when they are getting screwed by the private insurers, then we just don't need it. the idea of a public option IS to create competitive advantages for the people, not the private insurers. 
    with the crap surrounding a public option that hasn't even gotten out of the starting gate yet, it should be clear to those on the fence about the merits of a single payer, medicare for all that, in the words of nancy reagan, we should just do it.

    Posted by Lauren Serven on 05/05/2009 @ 07:29PM PT

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  3. Martin Bring

    From Don McCanne at Physicians for a National Health Plan

    The opening of the hearing was disrupted by a passionate protest from the audience...

    Person from audience: (at end of the protest)... We need health care now! Put single payer on the table now!

    Sen. John Kerry: Is there anyone in the audience who didn't come to...

    (Laughter)

    Sen Max Baucus: Let me say this. I think I speak for everybody on the committee and everybody in the Congress... deeply, deeply respect the views of all members of the audience and of all Americans who feel deeply about health care reform, especially those who are worried about single pay system, public option, who really do fervently believe that is the proper result. That is a view that many people have. It's a view which I respect. There are other approaches to health care reform which also I respect. The whole point of this hearing and other hearings is to try to determine the best route, the best option, in determining how to best reform our country's health care system. So for those of you who remain in the audience who may be inclined to stand up and, out of order, to state your views, I encourage you to not do so, because I want you to know that I personally care deeply about your views. I deeply respect your views. I hear what you say. I talk to a lot of people in my home state of Montana who have the exact same views. I represent 900,000 of the world's best bosses, Montanans, and many of them have the very same view. But we aren't going to get the best result here... the more we can have an orderly discussion of how we should best reform the health care system. So I want to say to everyone, especially those of you who might be inclined to stand up, that I urge you not to so we can proceed with the hearing holding your views also deeply in mind as we proceed. Thank you.

    Comment:  Apparently the single payer views must have been held very deeply, hidden in the minds of the Senators and the witnesses, since at no time during the hearing was single payer discussed as an option for reform.

    It is one thing to respect the views of those who support a model of reform that actually would provide all necessary health care for everyone and make it affordable for each and every individual, but it is quite something else to restrict the discussion to options that cannot ever achieve those goals.

    This hearing represents the framework of reform that is being crafted behind closed doors. The tragedy is that any bill that results from this process will delay further the reform that we desperately need. In the meantime, tens of millions or more will face unnecessary physical suffering and financial hardship, and many will die.

    The epitaph: BUT MY VIEWS WERE RESPECTED

    Posted by Martin Bring on 05/05/2009 @ 08:04PM PT

  4. Jeanie  Embry

    Tell Baucus & Senate Finance Committee and the White House Administration we don't need more police. That is not the health care plan we are calling for. We need more doctors, and nurses, not more insurance company administrators awarding themselves outrageous bonuses to deny suffering people in pain the health care they deserve.

    Go to Single Payer Action Page:http://www.peaceteam.net/action/pnum982.php

    Posted by Jeanie Embry on 05/11/2009 @ 08:54AM PT

  5. Tim Lillard

    Is Schumer's proposal any different from a Blue Cross, Kaiser, or other nonprofit plan?

    What people clamor for is:
    a) a NEW! health insurer to compete with the other 100s of insurers, or

    b) single-payer to make insurance simpler, more efficient, safer, universal and nonprofit.

    Schumer's public plan is a public sop, crafted to quell the clamor for single-payer health care in order to preserve the profiteering on illness that we call health care.

    Posted by Tim Lillard on 05/14/2009 @ 08:44AM PT

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